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Wrath of m0o · Sep 28, 2007, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by zamial

/FAIL

Newbie's need to join a guild as it is called GUILD WARS. Sure they all try and fail to solo everything,who didn't? Then they look for help. The Spam of "(insert guild name here) recruiting" in newbie towns is almost intolerable.

Agreed...
Forcing the solo players to go teach the PuG groups how to play the game isnt the awnser. The people who like PuG's should go teach the new people how to play.

Full Metal X · Sep 28, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

My question is...how are pugs supposed to get better at the game if theres no good players playing pugs?

They Don't.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

If all good players just H/H all day, what happens to all the wammo noobs with no one to teach them?

They run dumb builds like this so everyone laughs at them.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

I stopped pugging because i have my guild. They are reliable, dependable. they are GOOD, and although theres occassional drama, we can deal with it. My knowledge and game experience stays within my guild/alliance.

Good man.

Tyla · Sep 28, 2007, 11:11 PM // 23:11

maybe those people do need to learn,but then again most players are in a guild.
heroes granted me better playing efficiency,not needed but gives me challenge in the AI.
if heroes were removed,then we would be using 6-skill AI dudes who dont know what a secondary profession is(also,how about no to those who say "7 heroes!!!")
/notsigned

Age · Sep 28, 2007, 11:24 PM // 23:24

No no more heros we don't need anymore.

Sparks Dawnbringer · Sep 28, 2007, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Here's an outrageous idea give us all the henchies as heros. I'd be happy to play with Alesia if she could hit like she does in the bison turnament. Put up or shut up.

Mineria · Sep 29, 2007, 05:02 AM // 05:02

What people don't realize is that 7 Heroes will give more advantage to:

1. players spending a lot of time capping and buying skills
2. players buying PvP editions from the online shop

Where does that leave the casual players?
And what about the players that only got Prophecies or Factions?

I think that you can afford to buy every skill from the skill trainer, capping all elite skills, being able to afford elite armor on several characters and even getting some gold weapons which some people only can dream about should be enough.
If that still isn't reward enough for all your time played, you should play a game like WoW instead, and get into Tier 7.

Deadlyjunk · Sep 29, 2007, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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Originally Posted by Mineria

What people don't realize is that 7 Heroes will give more advantage to:

1. players spending a lot of time capping and buying skills
2. players buying PvP editions from the online shop

Where does that leave the casual players?
And what about the players that only got Prophecies or Factions?

I think that you can afford to buy every skill from the skill trainer, capping all elite skills, being able to afford elite armor on several characters and even getting some gold weapons which some people only can dream about should be enough.
If that still isn't reward enough for all your time played, you should play a game like WoW instead, and get into Tier 7.

What people mainly don't seem to realise is that wanting 7 heroes is a proof of total lack of interest in the social aspect of the game. Well, geeks tend to be like that, but seriously, the blessing of games like WoW and GW is that at least you're playing with other people. Anyway, everyone keeps going on about how the game was designed and how I'm wrong to tell people to stop playing.

GW is not an MMO, you flamed me for saying so. Ok, it's a CORPG. Cooperative Online Role-Playing Game. O rly? Let's take a long, good look at that. Still think you should play the whole game solo? You can of course, and I can of course, call you stupid and be right, but that doesn't take us anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

co·op·er·a·tive
1. working or acting together willingly for a common purpose or benefit.

Working together. Ok, still no closure on whether this implies take heroes and do everything lolol I'm so pro and so alone. Let's take a look at together then.

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Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

to·geth·er
1. into or in one gathering, company, mass, place, or body: to call the people together.
2. into or in union, proximity, contact, or collision, as two or more things: to sew things together.
3. into or in relationship, association, business, or agreement, etc., as two or more persons: to bring strangers together.
4. taken or considered collectively or conjointly: This one cost more than all the others together.
5. (of a single thing) into or in a condition of unity, compactness, or coherence: to squeeze a thing together; The argument does not hold together well.
6. at the same time; simultaneously: You cannot have both together.
7. without intermission or interruption; continuously; uninterruptedly: for days together.
8. in cooperation; with united action; conjointly: to undertake a task together.
9. with mutual action; mutually; reciprocally: to confer together; to multiply two numbers together.

I don't think any of these aplies to small clusters of AI controlled pixels. The day you start saying your "team" did something, by which you mean you and your computer, you've either taken leave of your senses or simply have no idea of what a life is (Hint: it involves other people).

Isileth · Sep 29, 2007, 06:08 AM // 06:08

Its actually Competitive Online Role-Playing Game.

And as has been said before, some people cant pug. Not that they dont want to. Just due to time or afk reasons they cant play with others.

The game was also advertised as a game you could choose to play solo or with other players.

So to say that its stupid to play solo when it was advertised that way....

Deadlyjunk · Sep 29, 2007, 06:20 AM // 06:20

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Originally Posted by Isileth

Its actually Competitive Online Role-Playing Game.

And as has been said before, some people cant pug. Not that they dont want to. Just due to time or afk reasons they cant play with others.

The game was also advertised as a game you could choose to play solo or with other players.

So to say that its stupid to play solo when it was advertised that way....

So sue them for false advertising or go cry in a corner. Either way, if you're supposed to play solo, what the hell is it an online game for? Get a private server where you can have your seven heroes, but don't ruin it what little of the cooperative aspect is left for the player base who actually does consider the game to be what it is. Christ, again, you didn't have ONE hero in the whole of prophecies and factions. Really, I didn't first but I'm going to now:
/signed
Get rid of the damn heroes already! First we had none and all liked the game and bought two campaigns, then you gave us something and now we whine for hours about not getting twice as much of it.

MirageMaster · Sep 29, 2007, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by Deadlyjunk

So sue them for false advertising or go cry in a corner. Either way, if you're supposed to play solo, what the hell is it an online game for? Get a private server where you can have your seven heroes, but don't ruin it what little of the cooperative aspect is left for the player base who actually does consider the game to be what it is. Christ, again, you didn't have ONE hero in the whole of prophecies and factions. Really, I didn't first but I'm going to now:
/signed
Get rid of the damn heroes already! First we had none and all liked the game and bought two campaigns, then you gave us something and now we whine for hours about not getting twice as much of it.

What a my doing in on line game is not of your buisness bitch!Get server your self if you hate heros.Cant care less what YOU consider this game to be.
Heros will stay regardless of your crying.

Isileth · Sep 29, 2007, 06:35 AM // 06:35

Your comments about ruining it for people who enjoy the coop aspect isnt a problem. No one will make people use heroes. Adding 7 heroes wouldnt remove people who want to play with players.

Its also not false advertising, they do allow people to solo. We are simply asking if they will balance the two options.

Why is it an online game that you can solo? Because appealing to people who play solo means a lot more customers. Anet arent stupid enough to remove heroes, they would loose far to many customers.

If they balance the two options they will keep a lot of solo players on for GW2. And, no, all the people who play in teams wont leave. They will carry on playing in teams.

Do you know the main group who wants 7 heroes? The people currently using h/h. There wont be a sudden huge drop in people to team with. It will still remain inferior to a team of 8 players. However it will be closer to the standard of 8 players.

Icy DS · Sep 29, 2007, 06:53 AM // 06:53

Actually 1 human + 7 heroes > 8 Players IMO...

Isileth · Sep 29, 2007, 06:58 AM // 06:58

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Originally Posted by Icy DS

Actually 1 human + 7 heroes > 8 Players IMO...

Just going to quote myself from the other thread for ease here

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Originally Posted by Isileth

Heroes dont pre kite
Heroes stand in AoE
Heroes dont stay in wards
Heroes cant combo skills
Heroes waste ints on unimportant spells
Heroes will cast spells like MS with 1 enemy left
Heroes will walk straight through traps
Heroes cant automatically maintain enchantments
Heroes will happily aggro other groups mid fight

Still think 7 heroes are imbalanced?
Good players will always make better teams than 7 heroes.

They wont imbalance anything, they will help to balance the solo and team options.

Icy DS · Sep 29, 2007, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Did I say 7 heroes would be overpowered? No? K? Great...

If you looked around I WANT full hero parties in PvE AND PvP...

But I still remain by my statement, 1 human + 7 heroes > 8 humans...

Pretty much everything you listed in that list doesn't matter in PvE.

Deadlyjunk · Sep 29, 2007, 07:13 AM // 07:13

Ok, I've tried everything by now...

Seven words:
WOULD - IT - KILL - YOU - TO - STOP - WHINING?

Really, you bought the first two campaigns without any heroes. Just drop it for pete's sake.

Icy DS · Sep 29, 2007, 07:17 AM // 07:17

Actually I didn't start PvEing until heroes were introduced...

...and I wouldn't have if heroes weren't here...

How does it hurt you to have 7 heroes? It doesn't, so why should I suffer?

I don't buy that jew excuse "the engine is not designed to function with 7 heroes" bs...

Anet managed to ruin pretty much everything in Guild Wars, they atleast can give us 7 heroes...

Deadlyjunk · Sep 29, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by Icy DS

Actually I didn't start PvEing until heroes were introduced...

...and I wouldn't have if heroes weren't here...

How does it hurt you to have 7 heroes? It doesn't, so why should I suffer?

I don't buy that jew excuse "the engine is not designed to function with 7 heroes" bs...

Anet managed to ruin pretty much everything in Guild Wars, they atleast can give us 7 heroes...

Jew excuse? Charming.

Can't you ever be happy with the game you have?

Isileth · Sep 29, 2007, 07:28 AM // 07:28

Deadly with that attitude we would all still be living in caves

You look at what you have and see how to improve it. In this case 7 heroes would be an improvement.

Posts that ammount to "shut up" really dont help anyone. People disagreeing is fine. Feel free to tell everyone why. However discussions only work when both sides actually look at it from the others side as well.

We have and have countered a lot of the arguments, there have been some good arguments from your side as well but lately its turning into people just telling others to shut up and name calling etc.

Deadlyjunk · Sep 29, 2007, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by Isileth

Deadly with that attitude we would all still be living in caves

You look at what you have and see how to improve it. In this case 7 heroes would be an improvement.

Posts that ammount to "shut up" really dont help anyone. People disagreeing is fine. Feel free to tell everyone why. However discussions only work when both sides actually look at it from the others side as well.

We have and have countered a lot of the arguments, there have been some good arguments from your side as well but lately its turning into people just telling others to shut up and name calling etc.

Yeah true... I think i'm just going to drop the issue and make some more constuctive posts, like for a Celestial Beaver boss. This really isn't going anywhere, I'm against 7 heroes, but it's up to ANET in the end.

Kasai · Sep 29, 2007, 09:21 AM // 09:21

I prefer tactifuly planning my build and mission rather using psuedo-intellectual W/Mo's with Healing Breeze run into every mob they see fit.
"Wow look at me, I'm sooper!"

If I do need PuG's, there's usually a guildie/alliancie(?) ready to lend a hand.

Heroes make missions passable, but not so easy it spoils the challenge. 3 Hero slots are sufficient for me. Even the henchies are ok, post Factions.

So I vote /notsigned. Good luck in your conquest to ruin the game.